Will countries lead the way to the artificial intelligence list?

Last year was a crowded time for legislators And pressure groups You are concerned about artificial intelligence – the most prominent of which is in California, where Gavin News fell 18 laws of the new Amnesty International While too The prominent Amnesty International legislation enacted.

And 2025 can see the same activity, especially at the state level, according to Mark and Yahrford. We said, as he put it, “sausage of politics and legislation” on both levels of state and federalism; He held the position of chief information security personnel in the states of California and Colorado, as well as the Deputy Minister of Cyber ​​Security during the era of President Barack Obama.

Weatherford said that in recent years, he has occupied different work titles, but its role usually is to discover “how we raise the level of conversation about security and on privacy so that we can help influence how to develop policy.”

Last fall, joined the artificial data company Gretil As vice president of politics and standards. So I was excited to talk to him about what he believed to come after that in the list of artificial intelligence and why it is believed that countries are likely to lead the road.

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This goal is possible to increase the level of conversation with many people in the technology industry, who may have seen hearings in Congress on social media or relevant topics in the past and held their heads, and seeing what some elected officials know and do not know. How optimistic is that legislators can obtain the context they need to make enlightened decisions about the organization?

Well, I am very confident that they can get there. What is less confident about it is the timetable to get there. You know, artificial intelligence changes daily. It is amazing for me that the issues we were talking about just one month ago have already evolved into something else. So I am sure that the government will arrive there, but they need people to help direct them, their employees, and educate them.

Earlier this week, the US House of Representatives had a working group that started about a year ago, and a team of artificial intelligence, They issued their report – Well, it took a year to do so. It is a 230 -page report; I am fighting it now. [Weatherford and I first spoke in December.]

[When it comes to] The sausage of politics and legislation has two very different organizations, and they try to communicate together and create something that makes everyone happy, which means that everything is slightly diluted. It takes a long time, and now, while we move on to a new administration, everything in the air is about the amount of attention that some things will get.

It seems that your point of view is that we may see more regulatory measures in the state in 2025 more than the federal level. Is this correct?

I fully believe in that. I mean, in California, I think the ruler [Gavin] In the past two months, newsom has signed 12 pieces of legislation related to artificial intelligence. [Again, it’s 18 by TechCrunch’s count.)] He objected to the big invoice on artificial intelligence, which would really require artificial intelligence companies to invest a lot in the test and really slow down.

In fact, I spoke in Sacramento yesterday to the California Cyber ​​Security Summit, and spoke a little about the legislation that takes place throughout the United States, and all states, and it is similar to more than 400 different legislation in the state level was submitted only during the past 12 months. . So a lot is happening there.

I think one of the big concerns, it is a great concern in technology in general, and cybersecurity, but we see it on the side of artificial intelligence at the present time, is that there are coordination requirements. Coordination is the word that [the Department of Homeland Security] And Harry Koker in [Biden] The White House was used for [refer to]: How do we form all these rules and regulations about these different things so that we do not have this [situation] From everyone do something of their own, which drives companies mad. Because after that they have to know that, how do they agree with all these different laws and regulations in different cases?

I think there will be more activity on the side of the state, and we hope that we can coordinate it a little, so there is no variety of regulations that companies must comply with.

I did not hear this term, but this will be my following question: I imagine that most people will agree that coordination is a good goal, but are there mechanisms that occur in it? What is the incentive that countries must ensure that their laws and regulations are in line with each other?

Frankly, there are not many incentives to expand the regulations, except that I can see the same type of language that appeared in different cases – which indicates to me, that they all look at what each other does.

But through, such as, “Let’s follow the strategic plan approach to this among all states”, this will not happen, I have no great hopes for this.

Do you think other countries may follow California’s progress in terms of general approach?

Many people do not like hearing this, but California does not pay a kind of circumstance [in tech legislation] This helps people come, because they do all the heavy lifting, they do a lot of work to do the research that enters some of this legislation.

The 12 bills approved by the news agentsom via the map, everything from pornography to the use of data to training websites on all kinds of different things. They were very comprehensive about the tendency forward there.

Although what I understand is that they have passed more targeted measures, then the greatest organization that drew most of the attention, the government news ultimately arrested him.

I can see both sides of it. There is a privacy component that was leading the draft law at the beginning, but you should think about the cost of doing these things, and the requirements they meet on innovative artificial intelligence companies. So there is a balance there.

I expect completely [in 2025] That California will go through something a little tougher than they did [in 2024].

And with your sense that at the federal level, there is definitely an interest, such as the report of the House of Representatives that you mentioned, but not necessarily a great priority or we will see major legislation [in 2025]?

Well, I don’t know. This depends on the amount of focus [new] It brings Congress. I think we will see. I mean, I have read what I read, and what I read is that there will be a focus on less organization. But technology in many respects, and certainly about privacy and cybersecurity, it is a kind of issue of the two parties, it is good for everyone.

I am not a great fan of organizing, as there is a lot of duplication and a lot of lost resources that occur with a lot of different legislation. But at the same time, when the safety and security of society is at stake, as with artificial intelligence, there is definitely a place for more organization.

I mentioned it is an issue of the two parties. My feeling is that when there is a division, it cannot always be predicted – this is not only the republican voices for all democratic voices.

This is a great point. Geography is important, whether we want to admit it or not, and this is why places like California really tend to some of its legislation compared to some other states.

This is clear that this is a field in which Gretel works, but it seems that you think, or the company believes that due to the presence of more organization, it pushes the industry in the direction of more artificial data.

maybe. One of the reasons why I think artificial data is the future of artificial intelligence. Without data, there is no Amnesty International, and data quality has become a more problem, as the data set is used or shrinking. There will be more and more the need for high -quality artificial data that guarantee privacy, remove bias and takes care of all this kind of non -technical issues. We believe artificial data is the answer to this. In fact, I am 100 % convinced.

I would like to hear more about what brought you to this view. I think there are other people who realize the problems you are talking about but think about artificial data that may inflate any bias or problems that have been in the original data, rather than solving the problem.

Certainly, this is the artistic part of the conversation. Our customers feel that we have resolved it, and there is a concept of a budget wheel to generate data – that if you create bad data, the matter is getting worse and worse, but building control in this budget wheel, the data does not get worse, it remains on an equal footing or improves in each Once the fly will appear. This is the problem that Greell solved.

Many of the characters aligned Trump in the Silicon Valley were Warning of artificial intelligence “censorship” The various weights and handrails that companies have developed about the content created by artificial intelligence. Do you think it is likely to be organized? Should it be?

Regarding concerns about artificial intelligence control, the government has a number of administrative wheels that they can withdraw, and when there is a perception of society, it will certainly take action.

However, finding this sweet spot between the moderate and reasonable content and restrictions will be a challenge. The incoming administration was completely clear that “the least better organization” would be the method [National Institute of Standards and Technology] Guidelines, frameworks or joint data through coordination between agencies, we must expect some directions.

I want to return to this question about the form of good artificial intelligence. There is this great spread regarding how people talk about artificial intelligence, just as it saves the world or will destroy the world, it is amazing technology, or it is very closed. There are many different opinions about technology capabilities and risks. How can one piece or even multiple pieces of artificial intelligence include it?

I think we should be very careful about managing the artificial intelligence extension. We have already seen with Deepfakes and some really negative aspects, it is interesting to see young children now in high school and even younger school who are born more deep parts that they face in trouble with the law. So I think there is a place for legislation that controls how people use artificial intelligence that does not violate what might be law currently – we create a new law that strengthens the current law, but just taking the component of artificial intelligence in it.

I think we – those of us who were in the field of technology – should all remember, and many of these things that we consider the second nature of us, when I talk to my family members and some of my friends who are not in technology, literally do not have the slightest idea of ​​what I am talking about most of the time. We do not want people to feel that this large government is excessively organizing, but it is important to talk about these things in a language that is not elaborate.

But on the other hand, perhaps you can only tell her from talking to me, I feel uncomfortable about the future of artificial intelligence. I see a lot of good coming. I think we will have a few rugged years as people are more harmonious with them and more understanding, and legislation will have a place there, to allow each of the people to understand what artificial intelligence means to them and put some handrails even about artificial intelligence.